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		<title>By: Method</title>
		<link>http://tunelab.com/2008/01/04/discussing-the-downfall-of-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-32164</link>
		<dc:creator>Method</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I havent read all of the responses on here yet so this may have been mentioned once already. I read an article in Blender a couple years ago that started off blaming the downfall of radio on Fred Durst. That was the attention grabber atleast. They proceeded to blame the entire nu-metal scene but ol&#039; Freddy got the brunt of it. The main reason they came up with was this. Today&#039;s rock is too varied. Its too hard to go from playing Metal to Emo then back to Metal. it jsut doesnt mix well. So instead programmers came up with making pop stations play the emo that mixes better with pop and leave the rock stations to play rock and metal... the problem with that was that there really isnt a whole lot of radio-friendly metal and rock. So instead they have gone back to playing 90&#039;s music.

Another interesting thing mentioned in the article you may want to watch for is how many of the new releases today that are chart topping are from bands that started in the 90&#039;s. At the time the article came out Beck, NIN, and Green Day were all the chart toppers in rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I havent read all of the responses on here yet so this may have been mentioned once already. I read an article in Blender a couple years ago that started off blaming the downfall of radio on Fred Durst. That was the attention grabber atleast. They proceeded to blame the entire nu-metal scene but ol&#8217; Freddy got the brunt of it. The main reason they came up with was this. Today&#8217;s rock is too varied. Its too hard to go from playing Metal to Emo then back to Metal. it jsut doesnt mix well. So instead programmers came up with making pop stations play the emo that mixes better with pop and leave the rock stations to play rock and metal&#8230; the problem with that was that there really isnt a whole lot of radio-friendly metal and rock. So instead they have gone back to playing 90&#8217;s music.</p>
<p>Another interesting thing mentioned in the article you may want to watch for is how many of the new releases today that are chart topping are from bands that started in the 90&#8217;s. At the time the article came out Beck, NIN, and Green Day were all the chart toppers in rock.</p>
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		<title>By: worsttofirst04</title>
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		<dc:creator>worsttofirst04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Nate.  Holy shit i got down to his comment and just stopped.  Obviously that shows that this subject reaches just about all of us and we all can relate, so props to jay on the blog.  I, myself have been contemplating that topic for months and months now.  And what i think is these DJ&#039;s are forced to play these songs.  ClearChannel pretty much owns the world and I think they instill the playlists on the DJ&#039;s and make them play what they play.  Think about it.  No human being could sit there and happily listen to the same songs they play every day.  It&#039;s just not sane.  Look at how many of us are intolerant of the repetitiveness of all this.  Anyways, I better stop before myself or Nate explode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Nate.  Holy shit i got down to his comment and just stopped.  Obviously that shows that this subject reaches just about all of us and we all can relate, so props to jay on the blog.  I, myself have been contemplating that topic for months and months now.  And what i think is these DJ&#8217;s are forced to play these songs.  ClearChannel pretty much owns the world and I think they instill the playlists on the DJ&#8217;s and make them play what they play.  Think about it.  No human being could sit there and happily listen to the same songs they play every day.  It&#8217;s just not sane.  Look at how many of us are intolerant of the repetitiveness of all this.  Anyways, I better stop before myself or Nate explode.</p>
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		<title>By: Deuce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deuce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It rocks to see people care so much, but honestly, I think a lot of you take radio for granted. How many things in the world are still free? Yeah, Sirius/XM have subscription fees, but terrestrial radio stations are still free. I remember growing up, and the connection you feel to your hometown station is something that was priceless, and now that I&#039;ve gotten old enough to move away from that station (WJJO in Madison), it has changed a bit. The BIG stations in major areas often play the same songs because they are &quot;rock&quot; stations, not &quot;rock/emo/hardcore&quot; stations. A lot of the new bands out are good, but the vast majority of rock band talent/staying power has dropped since the 90s. I happen to work in radio, so if you complain about hearing the same songs, remember that I have to hear them all all the time, not just in the commute to work/school. Some of the &quot;no name bands&quot; that were mentioned above really arent no names, but are more of the one hit wonders that were popular back in the 90s. I saw Fair To Midland mentioned above by esoricel, and those guys had a smash in 2007 with Dance Of The Manatee, which was subsequently overplayed and people got sick of it. If you want a more catered framework, get satellite radio, then you can have a station dedicated to just new rock (remember though, these stations still play a lot of songs constantly. I hear Bad Religion on Faction all the time). If you still want a connection with your local stations, make some noise and let them know. We cater to what people want to hear, and if you want more new bands, for gods sake say something constructive instead of bashing the bands that are currently played. 2008 is going to be a good year for new music, so you can probably expect to hear new stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It rocks to see people care so much, but honestly, I think a lot of you take radio for granted. How many things in the world are still free? Yeah, Sirius/XM have subscription fees, but terrestrial radio stations are still free. I remember growing up, and the connection you feel to your hometown station is something that was priceless, and now that I&#8217;ve gotten old enough to move away from that station (WJJO in Madison), it has changed a bit. The BIG stations in major areas often play the same songs because they are &#8220;rock&#8221; stations, not &#8220;rock/emo/hardcore&#8221; stations. A lot of the new bands out are good, but the vast majority of rock band talent/staying power has dropped since the 90s. I happen to work in radio, so if you complain about hearing the same songs, remember that I have to hear them all all the time, not just in the commute to work/school. Some of the &#8220;no name bands&#8221; that were mentioned above really arent no names, but are more of the one hit wonders that were popular back in the 90s. I saw Fair To Midland mentioned above by esoricel, and those guys had a smash in 2007 with Dance Of The Manatee, which was subsequently overplayed and people got sick of it. If you want a more catered framework, get satellite radio, then you can have a station dedicated to just new rock (remember though, these stations still play a lot of songs constantly. I hear Bad Religion on Faction all the time). If you still want a connection with your local stations, make some noise and let them know. We cater to what people want to hear, and if you want more new bands, for gods sake say something constructive instead of bashing the bands that are currently played. 2008 is going to be a good year for new music, so you can probably expect to hear new stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: meade</title>
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		<dc:creator>meade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nasty Nate and his jungle of love.</description>
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		<title>By: kelli0904</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelli0904</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading through this wanted to comment back to ESORICEL &amp; SOX4542...

As far as WCCC goes I agree they are much better than others I&#039;ve heard. I can tell you though that it is not that easy to just call or email &amp; get them to play something new.  I also made a suggestion to them to start something new with letting people call in at a certain time &amp; request bands they&#039;ve found on myspace! They said if/when their HOMEGROWN(local bands they play/promo weekly) gets old they will consider it.
They have been playing Fair to Midland for quite sometime now though. The often find a few newer bands &amp; tend to stick with playing them. They are NON CORPORATE!

I agree that BIPOLAR is a great band! I found them/or they found me on myspace. Can&#039;t remember which. Loved them @ first listen.

Dealing with mostly bands &amp; musicians on myspace though...I can say there are many many that aren&#039;t even signed that sound as good or better than what is being played on the radio day in day out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading through this wanted to comment back to ESORICEL &amp; SOX4542&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as WCCC goes I agree they are much better than others I&#8217;ve heard. I can tell you though that it is not that easy to just call or email &amp; get them to play something new.  I also made a suggestion to them to start something new with letting people call in at a certain time &amp; request bands they&#8217;ve found on myspace! They said if/when their HOMEGROWN(local bands they play/promo weekly) gets old they will consider it.<br />
They have been playing Fair to Midland for quite sometime now though. The often find a few newer bands &amp; tend to stick with playing them. They are NON CORPORATE!</p>
<p>I agree that BIPOLAR is a great band! I found them/or they found me on myspace. Can&#8217;t remember which. Loved them @ first listen.</p>
<p>Dealing with mostly bands &amp; musicians on myspace though&#8230;I can say there are many many that aren&#8217;t even signed that sound as good or better than what is being played on the radio day in day out.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My eyes and brain hurt from all you writing so damn much.</description>
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		<title>By: King</title>
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		<dc:creator>King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radio stations play the music that their &quot;target demographic&quot; listened to in their late teenage years (the years where most milestones were made). It&#039;s done to bring back the feeling of nostalgia.

There are some stations that do both play the older music and the new music (actual new music)

As an example, listen to LiVE 88.5 - The NEW Alternative.
It&#039;s in Ottawa, Canada.
You can stream it live off the internet, visit www.livelifelive.fm
I promise you that you will hear new artists, and new music, as well as some of the older &quot;classic&quot; alternative songs/artists.

The best reason to keep listening to the radio is for the local aspect.
If you tune into your favorite satellite station, you won&#039;t hear the weather, or why certain roads are closed etc.
This is why terrestrial radio will always be a mainstay, if anything, then for the local content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radio stations play the music that their &#8220;target demographic&#8221; listened to in their late teenage years (the years where most milestones were made). It&#8217;s done to bring back the feeling of nostalgia.</p>
<p>There are some stations that do both play the older music and the new music (actual new music)</p>
<p>As an example, listen to LiVE 88.5 &#8211; The NEW Alternative.<br />
It&#8217;s in Ottawa, Canada.<br />
You can stream it live off the internet, visit <a href="http://www.livelifelive.fm" rel="nofollow">http://www.livelifelive.fm</a><br />
I promise you that you will hear new artists, and new music, as well as some of the older &#8220;classic&#8221; alternative songs/artists.</p>
<p>The best reason to keep listening to the radio is for the local aspect.<br />
If you tune into your favorite satellite station, you won&#8217;t hear the weather, or why certain roads are closed etc.<br />
This is why terrestrial radio will always be a mainstay, if anything, then for the local content.</p>
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		<title>By: esoricel</title>
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		<dc:creator>esoricel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t listen to most modern rock stations anymore. With very few exceptions (WIYY, 98 Rock in Baltimore is one), I don&#039;t hear any new bands for about 18 hours out of a 24-hour day. The graveyard shift is the only time &quot;regular&quot; radio plays anything new (an irritating thought because, of course, graveyard shift = fewer listeners).

Alternative rock stations (the ones that play modern rock with emo/pop-punk/etc.) have succeeded where modern rock has failed. The format may have the same model (corporate-based playlists), but many do play newer artists at the least. Some devote time slots for new bands, obscure songs, local bands, etc.

Satellite radio helps because satellite rock stations will play songs that were never released as singles (as an ironic example, a friend once mentioned how amazing it was to hear Soundgarden&#039;s &quot;Rhinosaur&quot; on Sirius&#039;s Octane).

But satellite still takes its playlist mainly from well-known labels and bands who still have name recognition but are no longer mainstream (Sevendust, Ra for examples).

My main sources to find new music these days are from radio add lists and the Internet.

The add lists will generally show famous bands and then unknown bands* whose songs are either discarded or put on the graveyard shift. (*anyone heard of Fair To Midland, for example?).

It was online that I stumbled on Bipolar, an unsigned New York band who, to me, sounds much better than a lot of new bands to mainstream radio.

The sad truth is: if you want to listen to new music (or &quot;new to you&quot; music), don&#039;t listen to the radio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t listen to most modern rock stations anymore. With very few exceptions (WIYY, 98 Rock in Baltimore is one), I don&#8217;t hear any new bands for about 18 hours out of a 24-hour day. The graveyard shift is the only time &#8220;regular&#8221; radio plays anything new (an irritating thought because, of course, graveyard shift = fewer listeners).</p>
<p>Alternative rock stations (the ones that play modern rock with emo/pop-punk/etc.) have succeeded where modern rock has failed. The format may have the same model (corporate-based playlists), but many do play newer artists at the least. Some devote time slots for new bands, obscure songs, local bands, etc.</p>
<p>Satellite radio helps because satellite rock stations will play songs that were never released as singles (as an ironic example, a friend once mentioned how amazing it was to hear Soundgarden&#8217;s &#8220;Rhinosaur&#8221; on Sirius&#8217;s Octane).</p>
<p>But satellite still takes its playlist mainly from well-known labels and bands who still have name recognition but are no longer mainstream (Sevendust, Ra for examples).</p>
<p>My main sources to find new music these days are from radio add lists and the Internet.</p>
<p>The add lists will generally show famous bands and then unknown bands* whose songs are either discarded or put on the graveyard shift. (*anyone heard of Fair To Midland, for example?).</p>
<p>It was online that I stumbled on Bipolar, an unsigned New York band who, to me, sounds much better than a lot of new bands to mainstream radio.</p>
<p>The sad truth is: if you want to listen to new music (or &#8220;new to you&#8221; music), don&#8217;t listen to the radio.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzapalooza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzapalooza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with all consumer products, playlist choices are extensively researched, focus-group tested and basically calculated to the point of nausea.  The goal: to play songs that create the least negative response in the majority of people.  (Think of how much testing goes into the marketing of potato chips or beer and you get the idea).

The average radio listener stays with the same station for approx. 15-20 minutes; essentially during their commute.  So rotations are frequent, again to play the songs the majority of the target audience would listen to.  The days of the PD who actually chooses music based solely on gut instinct are esentially gone, unless you count college and independent radio stations.  (Those stations usually have little to no marketing budget, so they don&#039;t have the name recognition needed to show up in a Arbitron survey, which means low ratings and ad revenue.)  Big companies utilize research across all formats in their stable, so similar playlists in different markets are no surprise.

A company must be able to make money on it&#039;s product to cover expenses. With the elimination of &quot;pay for play&quot; and access to the deep pockets of the record labels, the only way to make money is to mass market to the widest audience.  Deeper rock cuts cater to a niche target, and would therefore cause some listeners to change the channel, lowering ratings and ad prices, and revenue.

Once Arbitron&#039;s new personal people meters are widely in use, the actual listening habits of normal people will be evident and radio formats be created to provide what we really want to listen to, not what a midwestern focus group thinks a 25-54 year old male would like to listen to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with all consumer products, playlist choices are extensively researched, focus-group tested and basically calculated to the point of nausea.  The goal: to play songs that create the least negative response in the majority of people.  (Think of how much testing goes into the marketing of potato chips or beer and you get the idea).</p>
<p>The average radio listener stays with the same station for approx. 15-20 minutes; essentially during their commute.  So rotations are frequent, again to play the songs the majority of the target audience would listen to.  The days of the PD who actually chooses music based solely on gut instinct are esentially gone, unless you count college and independent radio stations.  (Those stations usually have little to no marketing budget, so they don&#8217;t have the name recognition needed to show up in a Arbitron survey, which means low ratings and ad revenue.)  Big companies utilize research across all formats in their stable, so similar playlists in different markets are no surprise.</p>
<p>A company must be able to make money on it&#8217;s product to cover expenses. With the elimination of &#8220;pay for play&#8221; and access to the deep pockets of the record labels, the only way to make money is to mass market to the widest audience.  Deeper rock cuts cater to a niche target, and would therefore cause some listeners to change the channel, lowering ratings and ad prices, and revenue.</p>
<p>Once Arbitron&#8217;s new personal people meters are widely in use, the actual listening habits of normal people will be evident and radio formats be created to provide what we really want to listen to, not what a midwestern focus group thinks a 25-54 year old male would like to listen to.</p>
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		<title>By: Sox5452</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sox5452</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a band like Skindred: They had huge radio success with their debut single &quot;Nobody&quot; and moderate success with &quot;Pressure.&quot;  I know there was a 3 year break from their debut to their sophomore release, and they are on an indie label (Bieler Bros.), but their new single &quot;Ratrace&quot; has gotten virtually no radio play at all.  How can stations completely ignore a new single from a band who had a successful debut??

Stations need to get more variety overall.  Even with the 90s rock they play the same songs over and over, there are so many different 90s songs and artists that they could play.  Playing 90s rock is ok, but at least have variety.  Playing the same 3 AIC and Soundgarden songs is just rediculous, there are so many other songs even by those same bands that could be played.  Instead of &quot;Man In A Box&quot;, just play &quot;Nutshell&quot; or &quot;We Die Young&quot; every once in a while.    They also need to stop playing &quot;Pain/The Pretender/Fake It...&quot; every hour and play different new music.  There are so many great new bands that cant seem to get any radio play (The Accident Experiment, Hourcast...along with many more).

There are a few stations that still know how to mix it up with a wide variety of great tunes (WCCC in Hartford and WJJO in Madison are 2 examples) but the majority of stations need major reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a band like Skindred: They had huge radio success with their debut single &#8220;Nobody&#8221; and moderate success with &#8220;Pressure.&#8221;  I know there was a 3 year break from their debut to their sophomore release, and they are on an indie label (Bieler Bros.), but their new single &#8220;Ratrace&#8221; has gotten virtually no radio play at all.  How can stations completely ignore a new single from a band who had a successful debut??</p>
<p>Stations need to get more variety overall.  Even with the 90s rock they play the same songs over and over, there are so many different 90s songs and artists that they could play.  Playing 90s rock is ok, but at least have variety.  Playing the same 3 AIC and Soundgarden songs is just rediculous, there are so many other songs even by those same bands that could be played.  Instead of &#8220;Man In A Box&#8221;, just play &#8220;Nutshell&#8221; or &#8220;We Die Young&#8221; every once in a while.    They also need to stop playing &#8220;Pain/The Pretender/Fake It&#8230;&#8221; every hour and play different new music.  There are so many great new bands that cant seem to get any radio play (The Accident Experiment, Hourcast&#8230;along with many more).</p>
<p>There are a few stations that still know how to mix it up with a wide variety of great tunes (WCCC in Hartford and WJJO in Madison are 2 examples) but the majority of stations need major reform.</p>
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